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b25rcflyboy

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Jun 16, 2009 15:03    Quote
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I just bought a telescope and stuff...Hope to learn more about it's operation. I have had a refractor in the past and was very happy with it. I have a Celstron Advanced Series C6-RGT ( bigger than I expected) with the 2 in eyepice and filter set, the GPS CN16 and the SkyScout is on the way. I have 4 kids and they are very excited about it and it will be a family hobby, fortunately my kids are smart and interested...19,15,15, and 8 years old. Mamma's OK with it too.. We live in the country where it is very dark and I plan to keep it pretty much in the same spot.

 

I'll post pictures as things happen. I haven't had it out at night yet due to myy work schedule...but maybe tonight.

 

Jimmy in Tennessee

b25rcflyboy

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Jun 20, 2009 05:36    Quote
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We have had it all out two nights. Got alot ot learn, but it is way cool...The SkyScout really is a big help to ignorant people who are interested in learning more about what is what in the sky.

Craigus

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Jun 22, 2009 00:18    Quote
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Glad to hear you have had a chance to take it out,  how has the viewing been?  It is an awesome telescope you have there.  The 2" eyepiece set must be great to work with.  Ive been eyeing getting some 2" eyepieces for my scope.

b25rcflyboy

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Jul 02, 2009 20:21    Quote
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Whew...when it's this hot it almost seems like work, if you don't know what you are doing...I have a couple of questions. I seem to be having trouble balancing my tube, especially when I try to change an eyepiece, everything starts rolling over. Any ideas on what I am doing wrong?

 

Also, I can see Saturn very clear, with rings very focused and the moons beside it, but it does seem to be very large in my eyepiece, is this normal, or am I doing something wrong?

 

I might have looked at too many pictures.....Jimmy

Craigus

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Jul 02, 2009 23:56    Quote
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Well im enjoying the middle of winter down here,  have had lovely clear skies the last week or so.  Now to organise some load shedding in my area so all the lights go out. Tongue out

Well from what I understand when you do change eyepieces it will slightly adjust the weight distribution but not normally to the point that it starts rolling over.  And also this is with the clutches engaged so their should be no movement.  Maybe someone from Celestron can jump in here and give some ideas.

The other question maybe I can help with.

Magnification is simply a calculation of the focal length of the telescope and the eyepiece.  I would say attach the 2X Barlow you got with the eyepiece set.  That will double the magnification of the eyepiece you are using. 

A bit of info on this. (posted earlier for someone else)

Something handy to know is how magnification is calculated.  Mag=(Focal length of the telescope)/(Focal length of the eyepiece)

In your case you have the C6-RGT. Focal length = 1200mm.  So if you use a 20mm eyepiece.  mag = (1200/20) = 60X  So if you put a 2X barlow lens in it halves the apparent focal length of the eyepiece.  So it become 10mm  Mag = (1200/10) = 120X

In the specifications of the telescope you will see they talk about the highest useful magnification bear this in mind when trying to get increased magifications.

If you are interested in reading up some more on focal ratios and all these technical things there are some great internet resources to look through.

Hope it helped.

Clear Skies

Calthos

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Aug 10, 2009 22:41    Quote
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Whew...when it's this hot it almost seems like work, if you don't know what you are doing...I have a couple of questions. I seem to be having trouble balancing my tube, especially when I try to change an eyepiece, everything starts rolling over. Any ideas on what I am doing wrong?

Also, I can see Saturn very clear, with rings very focused and the moons beside it, but it does seem to be very large in my eyepiece, is this normal, or am I doing something wrong?

I might have looked at too many pictures.....Jimmy

Hey Jimmy,

First thing ... relax. The sky is eternal, the summer heat only seems that way. Cool

OK, I have the predecessor to your telescope, the CR150-HD, basically the same telescope only I added the CG5-GT mount, same as what you have. I know what a beast it can be!!

Balance should not be a big problem on this mount. First, balance it in declination (the lower pivot), then in right ascension (the upper pivot). IMPORTANT: do this with a medium weight eyepiece installed, as well as the dew shield and the finder scope. Get the telescope balanced so that it is as likely to roll one way as the other, in both axes. Once you have it right, make some Magic Marker marks (or apply some semi-permanent tape) on the weight shaft and on the telescope dovetail to mark where the weights go and where the telescope should be, so that you can quickly get things close the next time.

To achieve polar alignment, I like to rubber-band a foot-long section of small (3/8") aluminum pipe to the mount, where the scope will attach. I sight through that (with the mount zeroed out in both axes) to get Polaris centered. That's generally good enough. Make sure the clutches are locked when you begin your star alignment; don't muscle them down, just nicely snug. Once this is done, you're set for the night; don't loosen up either clutch.

I also made ground-markers out of three big spikes and three red-painted fender washers. One night after I had everything just right, I drove the spikes into the ground (with the washers on them) to mark the position of the tripod feet. Next time out, I'm halfway there toward polar alignment, providing I don't readjust the tripod leg lengths.

Now, on to observing. Those coffee-table books show Saturn and Jupiter as huge, stunning, highly detailed sights. However, they are just planets, and they are a loooong ways away. So you may have to readjust your expectations here. Jupiter, the largest planet of all, is still pretty small at its distance from us. Saturn, a slightly smaller planet, is twice as far away as Jupiter. And Mars, heaven help us, is only half the size of Earth. At its distance, it is never more than a miniscule disc, even in the biggest telescope. And though a 6" refractor like yours and mine seems big, it ain't big enough to cook up a picture-window view of Mars. With a 5mm eyepiece, Jupiter will look mighty impressive at 240x, but it will still cover only 4% of the field of view at opposition (closest to us). If you include the rings, Saturn will cover a whopping 5% of the field of view. Poor old Mars will cover only 2% of the field of view.

This is not to discourage you. The planets are notoriously small targets, so don't worry if they seem dinky; THEY ARE! The Andromeda Galaxy (M31) is rising at this time of year, and it's several times bigger than the Moon. In fact, many of the interesting deep sky objects are nearly as big as the Moon, a little bigger or smaller, but really quite sizable.

I suggest you try the "Tour" feature on your handset. Some of the things in there are not really appropriate, either too big to fit in the eyepiece, or way too dim for a beginner, but many of them are very interesting. It lets you just muck around in the sky and see a number of interesting sights, without having to do a lot of in-depth study. Also, pick up a book like "Star Watch" or "Turn Left at Orion". These will give you directions to, and good information about, a hundred or more interesting targets. Eventually, you'll want a sky atlas, a roadmap to the sky; I highly recommend the "Pocket Sky Atlas" by Roger Sinnot.

It's great to know you're out there trying. You have a spectacular instrument there, one that would have blown the socks off amateurs just a couple of generations ago. Mr. Messier, who gave us the Messier catalog of deep sky objects, never had it so good. From your dark site, it will show you the most amazing sights of the cosmos, and give you tantalizing whispers of even more.

Keep at it, my friend. We're all in this together, and with the support of your family and friends like this, you'll one day find yourself gazing at a galaxy whose light began its journey here eons before even our most remote ancestors duked it out with tigers and mammoths. Be glad they largely won, because you're here to stand in awe at what they could not have conceived.

-- Tim

Colorado

b25rcflyboy

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Aug 23, 2009 19:38    Quote
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Thanks for all of the good advice, I am not good about getting back, but I read them over and over and had more success and been having fun. The nights are cooler and I have had dew issues ( I just figured out what a dew shield was for)... I have had fun viewing Jupiter with it's moons all lined up and for the first time a couple of nights ago saw The Andromeda Galaxy! ( everytime I see something for the first time in real life I want to tell everyone how amazing it all is). I have had several people over to view, once I get better I will have my son's Cub Scout Den over for viewing.

 

I use the hole in the middle of the mount to align with and just do the quick alignment because I don't know the stars well enough to know if it's going to the right place or not.

 

Probably going to have to get a set of wheels for it. I keep it in the garage and take it about 20-30 feet to the driveway, but carring it is most cumbersome, espicially due to my fusision surgery on my spine...then I'll get a specific spot and mark it on the drive so I can get quicker and more efficienet with set-up and alignment.

Calthos

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Oct 05, 2009 12:13    Quote
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Thanks for all of the good advice, I am not good about getting back, but I read them over and over and had more success and been having fun. The nights are cooler and I have had dew issues ( I just figured out what a dew shield was for)... I have had fun viewing Jupiter with it's moons all lined up and for the first time a couple of nights ago saw The Andromeda Galaxy! ( everytime I see something for the first time in real life I want to tell everyone how amazing it all is). I have had several people over to view, once I get better I will have my son's Cub Scout Den over for viewing.

I use the hole in the middle of the mount to align with and just do the quick alignment because I don't know the stars well enough to know if it's going to the right place or not.

Probably going to have to get a set of wheels for it. I keep it in the garage and take it about 20-30 feet to the driveway, but carring it is most cumbersome, espicially due to my fusision surgery on my spine...then I'll get a specific spot and mark it on the drive so I can get quicker and more efficienet with set-up and alignment.

I'm glad to hear you're having better success!

I should have mentioned that in balancing, the trick is to roll the mount over (on each axis) so that the tube is horizontal. Then move the counterweights (or, for the other axis, the telescope tube) to achieve balance. Do this in the order as before (declination first), and your balance should be good. That is, the scope should stay put in the horizontal position with both clutches loose. Then you can get the zero-marks aligned in both axes and snug up the clutches.

Incidentally, you're probably using two counterweights. I find it's easiest to keep them flat against each other, treating the pair as one, rather than placing them in different parts of the shaft. Alternatively, you can run one of them down against the toe-saver (or up to the top), and adjust the other to achieve balance. If there are people walking around, you might want to hang a red glow-stick off the counterweight arm to prevent accidents.

The dew-shield that comes with the C6-RGT is a massive piece of steel. I don't know what they were thinking! The extra weight at the front of the tube forces you to slide the tube far back on the mount to achieve balance. This causes an already low eyepiece into an even lower position. Unless you like being on your knees to see things high in the sky, I urge you to build a lightweight dew shield. Go to a hobby/craft store and get a couple of sheets of black "craft foam". You can easily build a replacement dew shield with this 1/8"-thick lightweight foam. Depending on how big a sheet you can buy, you may have to splice in a strip to get the 12.5" or so you'll need to build a large enough cylinder to fit the telescope. Use black duct-tape to join the ends. This lightweight dew-shield will work just as well (or better) than the original. And because you can balance the telescope further forward in its mount, the eyepiece will be noticeably higher and more comfortable!

I hope all is well. May I suggest a couple of great targets for the early evening skies of October? The star named Alberio in Cygnus is perhaps one of the most beautiful and colorful double stars in all the sky. You might want to try the Double-Double, too (known as Epsilon Lyrae to your telescope), a system of four stars in two close pairs. Don't miss M13, the Great Globular Cluster in Hercules. In Pegasus, look for M15, another globular cluster; compare it to M13 (they're quite different!). In Lyra, you'll want to see M57 (the Ring Nebula), and not far away in Vulpecula, M27 (the Dumbell Nebula). You've already seen M31, the Great Andromeda Galaxy; now try for M33 (the Pinwheel Galaxy) in Triangulum. It's fainter, but still readily visible. The wonderful open clusters of winter are just rising, but summer's spectacular M11 is still a great target early in the evening. For a challenge, use your lowest power eyepiece and hunt down NGC 7293 (the Helix Nebula); it's similar to the Ring Nebula, but much larger and a good deal fainter. A great catch, though!

And whatever targets you look at, take time to find out about them using Google searches; knowledge really enriches the experience!

dcincome1

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Dec 15, 2009 18:34    Quote
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That's great, b25rcflyboy! Hope you can post some pics.

regards,
DCINCOME
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tonymatell

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Dec 22, 2009 20:06    Quote
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Yes post some picture it would be great if you could share it with us.I'll post some of my captures.

Tony Matell

Babyphon , Philips Babyphone

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